HET WAS HOEKSTRA UIT GRONINGEN
TIME MAGAZINE, LEUGENS, deel VI (zie drasties, drasties..).
Dat hebben wij weer hoor. Een affaire in de Verenigde Staten waar de hele Amerikaanse blogwereld vol van is. Een smerig zaakje vol leugens en bedrog en wie blijkt er een achter te zitten. Een Nederlander. Of sterker nog, een Groninger genaamd Hoekstra.
Peter Hoekstra, geboren in 1953 in ‘Grunnen’, emigreerde op driejarige leeftijd naar de VS waar hij onder de schuilnaam Pete opgroeide in het plaatsje, hoe kan het ook anders: Holland. In 1992 volgde hij Guy van der Jagt op als congreslid van het 2de district van Michigan. Hij deed daarbij zijn verkiezingstoer op de fiets. Zeg maar, Abel Tasman (Groninger) in zakformaat. Dat fietsen sloeg aan want zijn district bevat het hoogste aantal Nederlandse Amerikanen in de VS.
Wel, onze ‘Pete’ Hoekstra is nog rechtser dan een combinatie van Bas van der Vlies (SGP), Geert Wilders (PVV) en boer Koekoek (BP). Puur vergif dus. En Bush volger pur sang, als het moet tot op de knieen. Zo meent hij nog altijd dat er massavernietigingswapens zijn in Irak.
Deze Hoekstra vertelde als lid van de ‘Intelligence Committee’ aan journalist Joe Klein de leugens over de nieuwe wet op het bespioneren van burgers, die de nitwit Klein vervolgens klakkeloos opschreef in zijn column in Time. Toch het toonaangevende politieke tijdschrift van de wereld. In de column werden de Democratische presidentskandidaten (’well beyond stupid’) voorgesteld als heulers met terroristen op basis van pure verzinsels.
Hoekstra: Dou nou e’em zeg!
Glen Greenwald:
The Time/Joe Klein story just grows every day, and even when you think it can’t get any more illustrative and amazing, it does.
GOP Rep. Pete Hoekstra has been one of the most obedient Bush-following Congressmen over the last six years. As but one example of many, it was Hoekstra who insisted on the WSJ Op-Ed page last year that there really were WMD in Iraq and we really found them, but our intelligence community just won’t admit it.
Today, Hoekstra went to National Review to defend his good friend, “liberal pundit” Joe Klein, in what Hoekstra called the “venomous debate [that] has raged between Time columnist Klein and his far-Left critics.” Hoekstra confesses that he was “one of Klein’s sources for the complex technical and legal points that seem to be in contention.”
So, in other words, it was Hoekstra — one of Washington’s most partisan GOP operatives — who lied to Klein by claiming that the House Democrats’ bill requires warrants for every foreign terrorist’s call and that the bill thus gives the same rights to foreign Terrorists as American citizens. That’s a real surprise. And Klein The Journalist then mindlessly wrote down Hoekstra’s smears without bothering to check if they were true, and Time printed them as fact.
After defending Klein’s honor, Hoekstra then lashed out at those who think that the Government should only be able to eavesdrop on our conversations with judicial oversight — just like the law for 30 years has required:
The straw-man complaint of the Left, however, is that Americans who talk to targeted foreigners in foreign countries might incidentally have their conversations intercepted. It takes a pretty good degree of self-absorption or paranoia for someone to believe that efforts to target al-Qaeda operatives in foreign countries are somehow about them.
So if you don’t place blind faith in the Leader to eavesdrop without warrants, then you are “self-absorbed.” That would, of course, make the authors of the Fourth Amendment — as well as the 1978 FISA law — completely self-absorbed, as well as anyone else who does not believe in the Inherent Goodness of our Leaders.
It is also worth noting that Hoekstra’s assurances of the Government’s good faith are identical to the assurances issued by Richard Nixon’s Attorney General, John Mitchell, at exactly the time the Nixon administration was abusing their eavesdropping powers for every conceivable improper purpose. From (ironically enough) a June, 1969 article in Time:
During his presidential campaign, Richard Nixon said that he would take full advantage of the new law — a promise that raised fears of a massive invasion of privacy. To calm those fears, the Administration last week issued what amounted to an official statement on the subject. In his first news conference since becoming the President’s chief legal officer, Attorney General John N. Mitchell pointedly announced that the incidence of wiretapping by federal law enforcement agencies had gone down, not up, during the first six months of Republican rule. Mitchell refused to disclose any figures, but he indicated that the number was far lower than most people might think. “Any citizen of this United States who is not involved in some illegal activity,” he added, “has nothing to fear whatsoever.”
From the mouths of John Mitchell, Pete Hoekstra and Joe Klein: who wouldn’t believe assurances from such beacons of trustworthiness like that? It was, of course, the same John Mitchell who presided over eavesdropping abuses so severe that their discovery is what led to the 1978 enactment of FISA, making it a felony for the government to eavesdrop on our conversations without warrants.
To see how truth-free Hoekstra is, just compare his defense of Klein’s false statements about the House bill to the actual bill. Hoekstra:
Second, Klein was correct in his original contention that the bill recently passed by the House of Representatives “would require the surveillance of every foreign-terrorist target’s call to be approved by the FISA Court.”
‘CLARIFICATION OF ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE OF NON-UNITED STATES PERSONS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES’ Sec. 105A. (a) Foreign to Foreign Communications-
(1) IN GENERAL - Notwithstanding any other provision of this Act, a court order is not required for electronic surveillance directed at the acquisition of the contents of any communication between persons that are not known to be United States persons and are reasonably believed to be located outside the United States for the purpose of collecting foreign intelligence information, without respect to whether the communication passes through the United States or the surveillance device is located within the United States.
As The Chicago Tribune obviously recognized in its correction, Hoekstra’s lying speaks for itself. Rep. Rush Holt, one of the architects of the bill, made it as clear as can be: “It contains no such provision.”
Finally, Hoekstra ends on this note:
At the end of the day, we should be honest that this is not a legal debate, but a political one. It highlights the fact that Democrats believe that lawyering-up foreign intelligence to guard against every imagined or potential civil-liberties concern is more important than ensuring that we have the full capability to conduct quick and effective surveillance of foreign al-Qaeda targets in foreign countries. I’ll welcome that debate anytime.
Hoekstra apparently missed it (or has understandably blocked it out), but America actually already had that debate. It was called the 2006 election. After House Democrats overwhelmingly voted against the legalization of warrantless eavesdropping last October, Republicans made this fear-mongering argument the centerpiece of their campaign, and got crushed. The outcome of that debate was Hoekstra’s removal as Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and his party’s removal from power.
The fact that our “liberal media” — including its “liberal pundits” — churns out its “reporting” by mindlessly writing down outright lies from the most right-wing GOP operatives such as Hoekstra is about as potent an indication of how and why our establishment media is worthless and corrupt. The Pete Hoekstras whisper defamatory, fear-mongering falsehoods into the grateful ears of our “journalists,” who uncritically pass it on as fact, and their editors and media outlets defend them. As the Center for Citizen Media put it, this Time/Klein scandal is Exhibit A to what has happened to the political process of the United States over the last seven years, at least.UPDATE II: Editor & Publisher has obtained an advance copy of Klein’s correction, which will appear in Time’s print edition tomorrow:
Correction: I was wrong to write last week that the House Democratic version of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) would require a court approval of individual foreign surveillance targets. The bill does not explicitly say that. Republicans believe it can be interpreted that way, but Democrats don’t. To read the disputed section of the bill, go to time.com/fisa.
That “he-said/she-said” so-called “correction” suffers from the same obvious, severe infirmities as the second version of Time’s “correction”, which I noted here. Worse, the FISA page to which Klein directs Time readers is completely misleading, as it does not even contain the dispositive paragraph, excerpted above, which gives the lie to Klein and Hoekstra’s claim.
Lawyer Scott Horton of Harper’s, a qualified Joe Klein fan, has also weighed in on this affair, concluding:
I am a compulsive Klein-reader, and I read this [column] when it went up at the Time website. I winced immediately. Not only was the substance of [Klein’s] description factually inaccurate in almost every respect, it was the very core of the piece. Moreover, what Time ran was a shameless mouthing of talking points that had been circulating on Capitol Hill by Republican spinmeisters through the prior week. . . . But when Joe’s bad, he’s awful. And this was the worst thing I’ve seen emerge from the Klein pen in quite sometime. And the worst thing about it — the unforgivable sin, and the one to which all writers-facing-imminent-deadline are vulnerable, is its lack of originality. It’s always so tempting to take some pre-packaged product from the partisan PR masters of Washington and print it. And that’s just what Joe did, to the great chagrin of his faithful readers. . . .
And disappointing as that discovery was, what followed was even worse. Time’s follow-up to the well-deserved criticism has been defensive and its concessions of factual error grudging. And all of this reflects not so much an error on the part of Klein as the Time editors.
This has been an extremely bad week for Joe Klein.
And now we learn that Time was fed this smear not even by one of the fake GOP “moderate” types (such as Chris Shays), but by Pete Hoekstra, as much of a GOP hack as it gets in Washington. And Hoekstra, National Review, and Time all join together to defend Klein, a member in good standing of our “liberal media.”UPDATE III: Wired’s Ryan Singel:
Time Edits Wiretapping Correction, Still Wrong [T]he second correction fails to correct the central premise of Klein’s column, turning what might have been unintentional, but dangerous misstatements in the original into a lie supported by Time’s top editors. . . .
[S]uffice it to say that no one, Republican or Democrat, who is familiar with FISA could argue in good faith that the bill would “require the surveillance of every foreign-terrorist target’s calls to be approved by the FISA court” . . . .
For Time to continue to allow people to believe that that’s possibly what this bill would do means after all the detailed criticism it has gotten is clear proof the original column is no longer a dangerous misunderstanding of a complex issue by a two-bit political columnist.
Instead, it’s now an institutional lie.
As I’ve noted before, Singel is one of the most knowledgable commentators on surveillance/FISA issues in the country and also typically quite restrained with his rhetoric. But Time’s conduct simply permits no conclusions other than the ones he has reached.
On a different note, Josh Marshall notes that Hoekstra is one of the most extreme and unreliable GOP sources anywhere in Congress. In addition to finding WMD with Rick Santorum last year in Iraq, Hoekstra also previously speculated that Al Qaeda and other foreign sources infiltrated the CIA and were responsible for leaks such as the NSA eavesdropping story. That is who Time allows to ghost-write its description of the House Democratic FISA bill with no fact-checking.







november 30th, 2007 at 5:50 pm
De Chicago Tribune heeft al een echte correctie geplaatst, nadat ze het verhaal van Klein hadden overgenomen.
The Chicago Tribune who took the story from Klein, already made a proper correction. We’re still waiting for Time.
november 30th, 2007 at 5:54 pm
It wouldn’t suprise me greatly if now Time issued a proper correction, because a major daily newspaper has made it ok.
If they did it before, they’d be bowing to the hoipoi bloggers, but now that ChiTri says the article is wrong, they’ll sit up and notice.
Don’t forget, they’re not just digging in their heels because they’re wrong and don’t like it being pointed out, it’s also because they so detest us great unwashed bloggers having the temerity to question them.
november 30th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
Post the freaking bill already!
I mean really, if Time even lived up to their own unconscionably weak self-definition, they’d post the text of the FISA bill.
Seriously, if “Republicans say” it can be interpreted one way, and “Democrats don’t,” how many journalism degrees does it take to think “I know! Let’s post the text of the bill and let everyone try to figure it out!” If the goal was to increase public understanding, one would think it wouldn’t take too long to come up with that.
The fact that Joe Klein never even considered posting the actual text of the bill is - well, I was going to say it was the real travesty, but it just goes on the long list. It also shows what he actually wants to do when he sits at his desk every morning.
november 30th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
Oh Glenn you are so naive FISA is completely debatable if you don’t plan on following the law
Just read Peter Hoekstra’s article in the NRO. See Republicans believe laws only apply when its convenient and so Everyone else must believe that too.
My favorite part excerpted below
Second, Klein was correct in his original contention that the bill recently passed by the House of Representatives
‘would require the surveillance of every foreign-terrorist target’s call to be approved by the FISA Court.’ It is true that one section of the bill states the “clarification” that such an order is not required, but that’s not the end of the story.
Anyone who understands how FISA works in practice or how the bill is intended to work as a whole understands that a court order is necessary to compel the cooperation of third parties to actually conduct the surveillance and provide clear liability protection for assisting the government. Without such protection, third parties are unlikely to cooperate, especially after being subjected recently to baseless and unfair attacks. Such court orders are expressly provided for later in the bill.
See you don’t have to follow the law you just have to understand how FISA works in practice. How convenient is that!
november 30th, 2007 at 6:08 pm
Damage aleardy done?
So, the Trib prints the Klein piece verbatim then issues a correction the next day. My question - how many Trib readers saw flawed article and how many will see the “correction”. I say that the damage has already been done. The seeds of false information have already been planted.
november 30th, 2007 at 6:09 pm
NRO: Peter Hoekstra on FISA & Joe Klein
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OGVlNzk2YmQ4NGZjNjFhZjU4NmE0OGYyOTBhYjNiNDA=
Hi Glenn,
I am loving your passion and aggressiveness on this whole Klein thing. Keep it up. If you haven’t seen it, the above link is Peter Hoekstra’s response to all this. He seems afraid to mention you by name.
Just some more grist for your righteous mill.
november 30th, 2007 at 6:11 pm
Please keep this up every single day.
I don’t care if you are still bringing this up in a year. People like Klein and companies like Time believe that if the just ignore the criticism, eventually the story will get old and people will forget about it.
But you know, just this once, let’s not let the story go away. Hell, I don’t care if there is a daily reminder about this 10 years from now. They get away with this stuff only because eventually people let it drop.
november 30th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
Klein’s Hurting Now
Joe Kleins’ self image of the peoples voice must be hurting after this hit. Pete Hoekstra? Is he insane? Attack one party on the word of a hack like him? I see Joe Klein on a fast track to a cubicle in one of those wingnut think tanks. And people clucking when his name comes up: “shame, he used to be pretty good”.
november 30th, 2007 at 6:13 pm
It Was Hoaxstra
Damn, Glenn, you’re good.
It didn’t occur to me that Hoekstra’s screed this morning was evidence that he was the propagandist, but it just makes so much sense now. I tip my hat to you, sir.
Please don’t let this go until we get some satisfaction.
november 30th, 2007 at 6:14 pm
Hoekstra welcomes debate?
Glenn - since Hoekstra says that he welcomes a debate why don’t you have one with him and set him straight?
november 30th, 2007 at 6:15 pm
Hoekstra’s Panoply of Lies
Hoekstra is another lying sack of shit Republican hypocrite.
He ran in 1992 on the issue that his opponent had been in congress too long, and promised to not serve more than 12 years, a pledge he violated in 2006.
He promised not to accept PAC money, but took in $323,522 from PACs in 2005-06.
He is the guy that joined Santorum in claiming that WMD had been discovered in Iraq.
He called the the Islamic Society of North America a group of “radical jihadists.”
He’s making up crap about Iran having weapons-grade nuclear material, claims that the IAEA specifically called “incorrect.”
november 30th, 2007 at 6:16 pm
Journalists Who Might Have Been Wiretapped
Hoekstra: It takes a pretty good degree of self-absorption or paranoia for someone to believe that efforts to target al-Qaeda operatives in foreign countries are somehow about them.
Does Joe Klein and Pete Hoekstra think that journalists Christiane Amanpour, Andrea Mitchell, James Bamford, James Risen, Vernon Loeb, Seymour Hersh, Bill Gertz, and John C. K. Daly, are all “self-absorbed”?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/007365.php
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Firstfruits
november 30th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
Hoekstra and “sources”
Hoekstra’s entrance raises more questions about attribution and sources.
If Hoekstra was “on the record,” why didn’t Joe Klein reveal this? Is it possible that “GOP” sources sounds better and has the appearance of rising above the partisan antics that Joe Klein claims to revile?
Of course, if Hoekstra was off the record, even more questions arise. Why would he want to be anonymous? Why wouldn’t Klein challenge him on that etc? Why is he coming clean now?
november 30th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
Bob Dylan certainly did not need Time magazine, and neither do we
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR8YuIGqWi4
november 30th, 2007 at 6:21 pm
didactic ..
thanks for posting the link .. that is fascinating .. and that is from 40 something years ago .. the interviewer has no clue what to say .. Dylan is right though .. he’s on fire in the interview
november 30th, 2007 at 6:22 pm
…it was a piece of “bad writing” on Klein’s part? no, my dear. LIES are not “bad writing”, they are LIES. next?
november 30th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
America’s Sick Journalism
Dr. Greenwald’s treatment may be unpleasant for the patient(s), but it’s the only hope for a cure.
november 30th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
Actually, only minor edits would make the correction acceptable
Correction: I was wrong to write last week that the House Democratic version of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) would require a court approval of individual foreign surveillance targets. The bill does not even approach saying that. A certain dishonest Republican believe(s) it can be interpreted that way, but sane people don’t. To read about the disputed section of the bill, go to The Huffington to read what the bill’s author has to say.
november 30th, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Paul Dirks
Let me take the opportunity to say how right you were about what would happen with Time’s correction (and how it would actually not merely feed, but create, a whole new justification that there’s some sort of raging dispute now over what the bill means).
Gawker covered this story today - in a way that was actually pretty substantive and accurate for them - and highlighted your comment.
http://gawker.com/news/catfights/the-liberal-hordes-will-destroy-joe-klein-and-also-spike-web-traffic-327927.php
november 30th, 2007 at 6:26 pm
2004
The day after the presidential election of 2004, one European paper’s headline read something like: How can 35 million people be so dumb?
Well, they weren’t dumb, they were mislead, lied to by the like of Time magazine, CNN, etc.
november 30th, 2007 at 6:29 pm
The profile in the New Yorker is excellent.
The First Conservative
How Peter Viereck inspired-and lost-a movement.
by Tom Reiss
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/10/24/051024fa_fact1
Hoaxstra. I like it.
He’s also a moron and shouldn’t be anywhere near the Senate Intel committee, much less the chair.
On November 3, 2006, The New York Times reported that a website created at the request of Hoekstra and Senator Pat Roberts was found to contain detailed information that could be helpful to anyone seeking to produce nuclear weapons. The website was shut down on November 2 following questioning by the New York Times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hoekstra
november 30th, 2007 at 6:30 pm
Court Orders White House to Disclose Telecom Ties
Glenn on slashdot.
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/11/29/1946227.shtml
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